Why Submissive Men Think They Want Cruel Women

General

I certainly had to deal with his in myself. My guess is that it is the pressure of living too long in fantasy. The more one’s desire remains unfulfilled the crazier your imagination gets.

I am increasingly frustrated in my search for a new submissive male. It seems like my choices are inexperienced men who may or may not turn out to be submissive, or the experienced ones all seem to want the cruel, sadistic, bitch type of Mistress. I am not exactly sure why this is, but my guess is the only role models our culture has for strong women are those who are considered bitches. The perception is powerful women are ruthless, self absorbed, tough and driven. Why does dominance have to equal bitchiness? While I am doing a scene I am demanding, which could be considered bitchy. I am sadistic and mean by intent, as part of a process, but that is not who I am as a person. I am capable, strong, intense, assertive, and confident. I have been told I can be bossy or controlling, but those are not traits I wish to emulate. I am for the most part warm, caring and nurturing; does this make me less dominant? I

Why do submissive men want bitches?

Being Too Passive

Real Life

She may want your submission but to win the right to offer it when you are dating you may also need to be a traditionally attractive dating partner:

Many submissive men are also more passive or would feel more comfortable if a woman took control of the dating process, perhaps. In their perfect world, the interested domina would do the calling, courting, tell him where she wants to go, and even reduce the agonizing "is it appropriate to buy gifts or flowers now?" dilema for men by saying flat out, "You know, I'd love it for you to bring me flowers tonight."

In reality, femdoms quite often still need to be aggressively courted. She may be interested, but if you don't make an effort (and as Laura says, sometimes pulling out all the stops is even better), you may be forgotten, especially if she is being courted by multiple men.

I consider myself pretty aggressive and quite likely to be the pursuer in relationships, but I still do require a certain level of male aggression/courting/romancing, and there have been men that I would have not pursued if they had not aggressively courted me, first.

What this all means is that men -- submissive or not -- should understand that most women do like to be courted. That means calling her (granted, with an understanding that she is interested), taking the initiative on dates, picking places to go, making arrangements, being assertive and proactive on next steps (ie, saying at the end of the night, "I'll give you a call in a couple days" -- and DOING it!), doing romantic things.

Thread: How To Attract A Dominant Woman?

How to Write a Kinky Personal Ad

Online

An excerpt from the beginning of a thread on online kinky online personals:

My journey through personals hell has been grueling, but I have learned a few things! I’m sharing them (most from alt.com but a few other places too) in hopes of helping some poor sot who doesn’t know any better than to be genuine:

How To Get the Most Out of Personals

Be sure to tag your personals ad with a snappy, attention-getter like: “Hey Ladies, let’s get nasty!”

If you are going to use a pic in your profile, use a poorly lit close-up of your penis - with hard-on, of course.

If you have the option of selecting gender of your partners and activities you enjoy - select everything. Even if you don’t know what it means, you might like it!

What I Learned About Personals Ads

Courting a Domme

Real Life

A short extract from an essay by Laura Goodwin:

Not all, but certainly most of the heterosexual dominant women I've known want a guy who's got a lot on the ball. They want to be impressed, and BTW, they want to be made to feel special: to be courted. Sub males have a slightly different script to follow when courting a dominant woman, but it's not *that* different. ...

It is important to be honest about your strengths and weaknesses, if she asks, but keep a *little* mystery, will ya? Don't dump your whole life story, especially in your first conversation/letter. You are trying to get to know her a little, and let her get to know you. If you get a clear, unmistakable sign from her that to her you could possibly be more than a friend, _and_ if you like her, *then* you turn on the charm and do your darnedest to win her over.

Lots of men and women who meet through ads or S/M support groups make the mistake of rushing off to have dinner together. This is wrong. First, take a walk together. If that doesn't quickly become tiresome, then you may get coffee, even lunch together. Then you stop! Then you go home! Send her a note of thanks for the fine company, call on the phone to ask if you may visit again, and leave it up to her. If she doesn't encourage you, give up!

Whole essay: Courting A Dominant Woman

How Do I Meet a Domme

Online

By Lady Julia

"I don't like crowds or chat rooms. I think I'll do better one on one. How can I meet a Domme and how can I impress her when I do?"

Tough question. In D/s - BDSM chat rooms, it's pretty easy to spot a Domme. At munches, you know that the women present are at least D/s - BDSM friendly. If you avoid both, however, the situation isn't hopeless.

Your first obstacle is identifying someone as a Domme and yourself as a submissive. It's not as if we wear signs or don fetish clothing to go to the supermarket (well most of us anyway - smiles). If you're not a chat or group type of person and don't feel comfortable attending a munch, I'd suggest considering the placement of a personal ad. Newspapers in almost all cities of any size accept them. You can also place an ad on a personals site like bondage.com, alt.com, adultfriendfinder.com, etc. (Google "bdsm personals" - there are a LOT of sites out there).

When composing your ad, remember:

  • Be honest. I can't emphasize this enough!
  • Indicate in your ad that you have an interest in D/s and/or BDSM.
  • Be careful not to sound desperate or needy.
  • Be positive about yourself.
  • To protect your privacy and decrease the risk of "outting yourself", use a PO box, a free email account like yahoo, and/or a prepaid cell phone for replies.
  • Be creative when writing your ad. An interesting ad is most likely to garner responses. Consider having someone you trust assist in writing the ad or at least have them read it over. (Sometimes it is difficult to write objectively about yourself - most people usually sell themselves short).

Once your ad is composed, be patient. Don't expect every response to be "the one". Just like any dating situation, it could take awhile to find someone with whom there is mutual interest.

To help form a more favorable impression when you do schedule a meeting (think positive!), remember that Dommes are women. When you're pursuing a relationship, some things are pretty universal. Still... there's a generral "lifestyle etiquette" to consider when approaching most Dommes. Keep the following in mind:

  • Ask her prior to the first meeting to share some general information about her hobbies or interests, what type of work she does, etc. (Be careful to make sure she understands you mean general interests as many Dommes are offended if you ask too soon about their kink interests.) Once you know what she is interested in, learn a little about her interests (not a lot, but enough so that you can carry on an intelligent conversation.)
  • Be prepared. If you are new to D/s - BDSM, read up. Know the terms. She won't expect you to be an expert, but do have a clue :) (The links page on my web site has several links to sites for those new to BDSM.)
  • Ask her how she prefers to be addressed. Don't assume she wants to be called Mistress, Ma'am or any other honorific.
  • Be a boy scout (wink). Courteous, respectful, etc. Offer to pull out her chair, open her car door, etc.) Manners definitely count.
  • Maintain eye contact, smile and try to relax. It's a lot more enjoyable to talk with someone who isn't extremely tense :)
  • Remember she's a person. Everyone likes a sincere compliment, so offer a comment about how much you enjoy her ____ (smile, laugh, quick wit, whatever).
  • Always be HONEST and be yourself. DON'T agree with everything she says (unless by some miracle you actually do agree). Insincerity is a turn off.
  • Ask her if she minds if you ask her questions. (Some like to control the conversation.) If she says yes, asking questions shows her you have an active interest in her.
  • Be prepared to answer her questions (because if she's interested, she will have some). Think ahead of time about some basic things. What interests you about D/s - BDSM? What do you expect from a dominant? What do you have to offer a Domme? What are your limits? (I personally wouldn't ask this on a first meeting, but it's better to have considered the idea than to sit there blankly and say, "I don't have any" if she does ask you).

Lastly... don't get discouraged and don't give up. Positive people seem to attract positive life events :)

(Note - these are just my thoughts. Remember YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. I'm not responsible if you do any of the things outlined above..)

Lady Julia

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This is only the first of several articles by Lady Julia on meeting a Domme. The rest can be found on her Dominance and Submission Articles page.

Human to Human : People Aren't Fantasies

Online

Sardax says of The Marquise, “a true amateur in spirit but professional in skill.”

This is from her essay offering tips for inexperienced men looking to meet dominant women.

Think about useful skills, qualities you like about yourself or have been complimented on. It is little different from highlighting your good points in a vanilla relationship. This can be a template for your ad. It can also be used for replying to an ad, but be sure to address the specific criteria that the domina has outlined. …

She isn’t going to be wanting to see photos of your penis: hopefully you have some value to contribute to her life beyond that. And do really make sure that you actually read the ad with the intent to learn about her, not to invest her with your fantasies.

… Doms have interests beyond bdsm. Find out what they are and approach in kind. Be honest, they will find out if you are dissembling and you are ultimately only cheating yourself. Give her some idea of what benefits she may receive from associating with you. Also it is more important that the two of you will be compatible in other ways besides the sexual if you are looking for a long term relationship, so in this case it doesn’t make sense to only present the physical aspects when you answer an ad. She will be interested in what you like eventually, but initially concentrate on her, its what she wants primarily that counts, not the other way round. The internet and publications such as this one will help you in your search. Stay open to possibilities, use all the avenues open to you, and be willing to adjust (not compromise) your expectations to meet the contingencies of life.

You are more likely to seem interesting because of a shared interest in jazz, sports or hobby. If you can’t remember that you are writing to a living woman, a human being and not a fetish model you shouldn’t even bother sending the email.

The whole article: Meeting A Dominant Woman

Fetishist vs. Submissive : Muddy Thinking?

Online

This captures distinctions and nuances that aren't reduced to simple black and white judgements:

In my thinking, "fetishist" is a broader term than "submissive" in the sense that a submissive has fetishized certain specific things -- servitude, giving up of power in a relationship, humiliation. A submissive is still a fetishist, ultimately, just one with a particular focus.

So one way I interpret your comment is that you feel there are significant numbers of ostensibly submissive guys who have not in fact fetishized these sorts of abstractions that comprise submission; but are instead more into fetishizing objects, or particularly the objectification of their partner as a fetish-object. If this is the sense you intend, then I largely agree.

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It's a difficult distinction because there is, in fact, a gradation (rather than a distinction) as to what people have as their "core fetish" (if there is such a thing). Jon Jacobs solves this problem by saying that a true submissive has by definition fetishized total powerlessness at a very deep level. But I'm not sure how useful such a narrow definition is -- it tends to lead to a correspondingly narrow paradigm as to what should constitute d/s practice.

Adding to the definitional problem is a certain cultural effect. I believe society as a whole tends towards objectifying female sexuality, more so than male sexuality. When this tendency is interposed with a female dominant / male submissive dynamic, often the result is a powerful objectification of the female dominant -- creating a strong image of a fetish-object top, which is both sought after by the submissive partner, and used by the dominant partner to control the submissive's responses.

While there is of course nothing wrong with this, there _can_ be a conflict of interest between being the dominant partner in a d/s exchange, and being highly objectified. I believe (again, just my current opinion) that female dominants find themselves grappling with this potential conflict, more so than male dominants. (I also believe this effect is partly responsible above-mentioned "bad image" that fetishists, particularly male-submissive-fetishists, sometimes end up with.)

The worst ever slave, and responsibility

Looking for Submissive Men Can Be Stressful

Online

Over ten years ago a dominant woman was looking for submissive guys online. These were her experiences:

I am doubting the existence of any men who are willing to submit, and are whole people. I have been told I am too demanding, or not dom enough, ad nauseum. I feel like I’ve tried it all - being myself (a total multi-faceted person), more private, more understanding, more dom … I used to think I understood a lot about human nature. Now, like Akasha’s situation, they all seem totally self-absorbed, in it just for themselves with no regard for the other person’s feelings. Without exception, all my simple requests (for a letter, or a few questions answered, etc.) have been met with resistance.

This is just a request for other Dom(mes) to share their experience and/or advice, including their difficulties or successes in finding partners. (Saw a few happy endings here not long ago. Any others?) Have you had the same problems that I’ve had getting to know folks on the web, not to mention moving beyond that stage? I feel like nobody else could’ve had this much crap to dig through. I wish that were true, but I’d also like to hear that I’m not alone in this.

:-/

I never thought finding a partner would be easy. I DID think at least a few of those I corresponded with would be sincere, honest, and relatively well-balanced. If what I’ve seen so far is any indication, there exists no such creature. Almost without exeption they have begun with claims like, “You don’t know how serious I am”, and “This desire has been with me since I was a teenager”, etc. Ha! One “wrong” word and they disappear like water down a drain! I wouldn’t resent the investment of time if I had come across even one guy who was honest. They all seem to be misogynists - waiting for any excuse to release their venom on you (me). And not having been able to find any good research on bdsm participants, I am beginning to wonder…

It has been my policy not to respond to guys who didn’t bother to write one simple email to introduce themselves. For a while, if they IM’d me, I would tell them I would welcome an email. More often than not, they ignore that - either continue to IM, or not write, or write once - usually calling ME insincere, and worse. I got so weary of that that I made a ‘form’ letter to try to explain, nicely, why requesting an email w/ their interests, etc., was reasonable. So far, that has resulted in just another jumping off point for them to insult me. And nearly all of them have criticized me or disappeared when I wouldn’t send them a picture right away. (It seems only prudent to protect my privacy until I get to know someone.)

l have been called ‘stupid’ for refusing to give out my phone #, criticized for misuse of a word in an IM, and most often insulted because I did not want to respond in the way they desired. Lately, when I took the time to write a letter explaining my viewpoint, it was simply deleted. Another guy I wrote a fairly long letter to simply deleted his screen name. And one reason I’m as cautious as I am now about my time is - one guy who ‘chatted’ for weeks (in the beginning of my search for info), one day said, “Surprise! I am not who I claim to be! I’m already collared, and MY MISTRESS was allowing me to ‘lead you on’ to ‘teach you about the unscrupulous people online’. Very amusing. (Since then, I have seen numerous ads that he has placed w/ various personas; this really makes me think that none of the ads are sincere - that there are just a few weirdos out there doing ALL the ads and IMs and writing! Too bad there isn’t a database/listing for us to warn one another about these strange ones.) Yet another, after weeks of thinking I knew him as a friend, revealed that he and another female friend liked to set up chat rooms with various fake interests, and lead people on that way. Cute.

There were three other guys (over 40yo for the record) that I spent several weeks writing and trying to get to know (one at a time). Two were big fans of Akasha, and they all claimed to have been looking for this kind of relationship for a long time. I took that to mean they had a clue. Ha! I finally figured that they were all three frauds. To one, being submissive meant (if we actually met, etc)., that he was accustomed to sexual release [masturbation] 3x/d min., and expected every session to end w/ me grabbing his hair and grinding my crotch in his face. That was his idea of being ‘collared’. Another first accused me of not being dom enough to ‘handle him’ (big tough ceo that he was), so I showed him more of that side, just for him to ‘pull out’ the ‘sick ex-wife needs attention/can’t get involved right now’ routine. The third shared 3 major hobbies w/ me, in addition to D/s. He also dropped out of sight w/ no ‘thank you, ma’am”. Not once has a guy ever just said, “Thanks for your time, but I don’t think we’re compatible.” Insults and disappearing acts, that’s been it! Wolves in sheep’s clothing…

One other quick question. Have you folks found that most of the guys who are into the life are young? I’m over 40 and ideally would hope to find a guy near my age, or older, but most who respond have been 20-30. (And rather than tell me about their minds, hearts, and philosophies, brag about how in shape they are, which is about the last thing on my list of criteria.)

Femdom Chat Etiquette

Online

By Mistress Evils

Every day that I'm online, I am accosted by a bevy of HNG's (Horny Net Geeks) who idiotically assume that, because I'm a dominant female, I must exist only to get them off and play-act with them. Sheesh! It's beginning to really piss me off. I got so fed up that I decided to make a long list of complaints/advice about how to talk to Dominant Women: how to behave and succeed in actually impressing Us. Read at your own peril. Tremble in fear if you recognize these inferior qualities in yourself, and take this as your queue towards a little self-improvement.

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Courtship of the Dominant Woman

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This essay focuses on the approach and perhaps ultimate “courtship” of a female Dominant, by submissive or subservient men. It targets points of acceptable and appropriate behavior (manners) towards a Domme. It is of course, written from a Dominant perspective, and based on my discussions with numerous other lifestyle Dommes.

Much of today’s formal “etiquette” originated in the French royal court during the 1600-1700’s. This code of behavior soon spread to other European courts and eventually was adopted by the upper classes throughout the Western world. In general, etiquette was developed as a means of breaching differences to allow communication from a common starting point.

It is my opinion, that of all the relationships in the D/s community, the one between a Domina and male submissive, most closely mimics the conventions and protocols of a more formal era; perhaps that of the Victorians. In the 1800’s, a young man could not speak to a young woman he knew until she had first acknowledged him. If the lady was not known to the man, then a “gentlemen” expressed his interest through a third party introduction or a formal written request. Socially acceptable activities included chaperoned public and family functions, which may or may not have led to private visitations. Conventions of protocol were strictly adhered to. Men bore the scrutiny of relatives or other interested parties and were more than ready to demonstrate their worthiness as a “suitor.” (Sound familiar?)

Whether the ratio is 1:10 or 1:100, most people will agree that there are many more submissives than there are Dominant women. These numbers based on “supply and demand” alone, work against a submissive. Competition is fierce for the attentions of those Dommes who are in “circulation.” The process of finding a Domme can be likened to a job search, with several hundred individuals submitting their resumes and credentials, and you, the applicant must stand out from the crowd. If you are seriously searching for a female Dominant partner, start thinking of ways that you could make yourself appealing to her.

To put it simply, we want to be impressed; to be made to feel special … and ultimately “courted.” Material possessions, a high profile career or even an exceptional education do not necessarily impress us. However, I have yet to meet another Domme who is not pleased by a submissive who is honest, self-assured and polite. In addition, intelligence, a sense of humor and a genuine desire to submit, are highly sought after qualities.

In keeping with that, it is helpful to know some rules about how to behave in certain situations, if only because this makes life more comfortable for you and makes you more self-confident. A submissive that ascribes to the following basic rules of good behavior and demonstrates a measure of social grace, may find the quest for a compatible female Dominant, somewhat less challenging.

1. Be honest. This pertains to any information you share or representation that you make of yourself. It includes, but is not limited to the basics of marital status, through to your expectations (in a partner and within the D/s lifestyle), experience level, fetishes and kinks (if they apply) and your limits. Don’t make a Dominant or anyone else an unwitting co-conspirator in something that could be an act of adultery, unsafe, insane or non-consensual. If you approach a Domina whose needs and desires are different from your own, accept those differences, do not try to manipulate her into changing her standards. By the same token, do not go against your own principles. Bottom line, don’t lie. If you are found out, word will quickly spread that you are a dishonest “player” and this can brand you permanently as untrustworthy. We “network” and most experienced lifestylers talk to each other (this very fact can also work in your favor if you are known to be a respectful, well-mannered and a genuine individual).

2. Have self-respect and be confident. Strong and submissive are not contradictions. You may think that sitting quietly with your head down shows that you’re a true submissive. Actually it shows that you’re boring. If you want to meet a Dominant woman, you have to attract her attention. If you don’t value your submissive gifts, why should she? If you are very shy get a friend to introduce you and perhaps initially stay around to keep the conversation going. You don’t have to throw yourself at a Domme’s feet to attract her attention. Act in a way that gives a Dominant confidence in you, your abilities, desire to submit and sincerity. Present your best qualities, without being conceited. A sense of humor can always serve you well under these circumstances, and at the very least, remember to smile.

3. Conversational skills are important. Do nut succumb to “submissive frenzy.” Having just discovered your innermost need and desire, you feel compelled to announce it to anyone who will listen. Pull yourself together! Approach a Dominant politely, with confidence, and a sense of calm. Introduce yourself, make some small talk, and then go away. Do not give her your complete resume; “My name is Jack, I’m 30 years old, I’m a submissive, I like blah, blah, blah, blah, will you play with me?” You’ll just come off as a desperate jerk. Conversely, do not play the doormat expecting to be swept off your feet with witty repartee, but contributing nothing. As in any setting, nothing is more boring than talking to someone who doesn’t have anything to say in return. And, “Yes, Mistress,” “No, Ma’am.” and “Ooh, I don’t know,” can grow very old, quickly. Find out how a Domme likes to be referred to (Madame, Ma’am, Mistress, Lady, Ms, etc.) and address her that way, but, appropriately and sparingly. Be patient and allow the natural process of rapport building to develop.

4. Develop patience. It can take some submissives years to find a compatible Dominant partner. Just as you have the right to be choosy in selecting a partner, so does the Domme. Do not pester her because you find her interesting. Treat her with respect and courtesy. Just because she is Dominant, does not mean she is under any obligation to use her talents in the Dominant arts on you. Impatient and pushy submissives don’t get very far with Dommes. If a lady rebuffs your advances, or does not respond to them, take it with dignity, do not respond rudely. There is no need to badmouth or disparage a Domina who has turned you down. Doing so, will simply earn you a reputation of being impolite. If you want to leave a lasting, positive impression, thank her for her time and consideration and ask that she might keep you in mind for the future.

A point on sending notes or letters of introduction. A lack of a reply can mean two things (1) the Dominant in question is overwhelmed by requests, and yours was lost due to volume; or (2) it means “Not interested.” A short, polite follow-up note thanking her for reading your letter, may garner you a response. If not, give up. Do not send further mail, or make unwanted calls, whining that you haven’t gotten an answer from her. At that time, take non-response as a “no.”

5. Do unto others as you would have done to yourself. Would you walk into someone’s home without an invitation? Would you randomly select the phone number of a stranger, dial them up and open with “want to have sex?” Would you walk up to a woman in a bar and say “Hi I’m Mike, I’m kinky, let’s get naked”? Common sense dictates that you wouldn’t. In today’s computer age, why would you behave differently online? The rules of engagement should be and are the same as in any other social or business setting. No one owes you his or her attention.

The advantage of this medium is that through profiles, homepages, other postings and participating in chatrooms and newsgroups, you can often glean some insights about an individual, before approaching her. Avoid two common mistakes. First, do not approach a Dominant who is not interested in the same things you are. Second, don’t send a request for submission to every Domme in the Western world. As stated before, we network. And for the record, spelling and grammar do count.

6. Be open about your knowledge and experience within the D/s lifestyle. Being a novice, and admitting it, is not a bad thing. We all started somewhere. Acknowledging a lack of experience may be a wonderful starting point for forming a D/s partnership, if you find a Domme interested in training. Conversely, if you are experienced, you may be a wonderful teacher to a novice Dominant, or be able to parlay your knowledge into a common ground for communication. But, do not overstate or understate your knowledge. Do not disrespect a Dominant by assuming you know what is best for her, or assume you know what she wants to hear.

7. Be informed and know yourself. Before you declare yourself as a “submissive” be sure you understand what it is you are offering. Dominants are not libraries, nor are we therapists, counselors or social workers. It is not our job to tease apart what your desires, fetishes and kinks are. There is nothing wrong with having fetishes and acting on them; but know what they are and what it is you are looking for and are realistically able to offer. Educate yourself, put some work into determining who you are and what it is you are so willing to give. Our role is not to define your desires and limits, but to work within them, expand them and explore beyond, WITH you.

8. Lose the attitude that this is “all about you.” It is not. For many (perhaps even most) our chosen role has very little to do with sex, and relates to a power exchange between two consenting adults. Actually, we usually couldn’t care less about what you demand that we do. If you approach a Dominant with a “What can you do for me?” attitude, you’re going to be laughed at. Do-Me submissives are selfish, controlling, and annoying. Being pushy, rude, rash, or overly forward with a Dominant, you will most likely lose you the chance to ever partner with her. Dominant women are not public utilities; just because a woman is dominant, does not mean she is YOUR Dominant. If you’re just interested in yourself and what you want, please do us all a favor and go pay someone to play-act with you.

9. Be discreet. It’s unfortunate, but most people need to keep their interests in female domination and other alternative lifestyle practices private. Most people would prefer that their family, friends, coworkers, and neighbors didn’t know about their interests and activities. Unless you know that the Mistress you met at a club or play party, is out of the “closet” do not approach her in a vanilla setting and address her by her scene title, or fall to your knees in an act of worship or deference.

10. Have realistic expectations. Dominant women range from ugly to beautiful, just like women in general. As a matter of fact, just as men, in general. If looks are really that important to your happiness in a scene be prepared to look for a long time, or be willing to pay a professional who has the looks that you want. While you are at it, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are really worthy of such expectations yourself. You’ll have better luck finding a Dominant if you concentrate on her personality and skills. Think of it this way: If you’re blindfolded, and in ecstasy, what does it matter what she looks like?

11. Proper decorum once accepted for a private meeting includes, being polite, punctual, and well-groomed. I want to stress the importance of personal hygiene…fur on the teeth, dirty fingernails, greasy hair, and other unmentionables … are no no’s. *Please* NO intimate gifts, such as panties or stockings, until you are actually intimate, we may be open-minded but we expect to be treated like ladies. You may bring flowers, if she likes them, but red roses are inappropriate for a first encounter. Perhaps, take a walk together; maybe get coffee, and even lunch together. Then you stop! Go home! Send her a note of thanks for the fine company, perhaps call on the phone to ask if you may visit again, and leave it up to her. If she doesn’t encourage you, give up!

Let’s assume though, that you were charming, intriguing, and she wants to see you again. This means you are in the “running.” It does NOT mean she owns you. You probably still have competition for her attention, so keep your best foot forward. Getting to know a Dominant woman goes in degrees, at a pace dictated by her needs and interests. If at first you don’t succeed, do not get discouraged. Ultimately practice will prepare you for meeting the right partner.

Remember to use common sense, maintain perspective, and be polite. No one owes anyone else his or her dominance or his or her submission. Patience and a sense of humor are definite attributes for a submissive. Lastly, never forget that you too may discover that the Dominant is not to your liking or standards, and you always have the right and option to withdraw from any phase of the relationship. After all, ours is a lifestyle of mutuality, safety, sanity and consent.

Attributed to Ms. Erika this essay appears on many websites. To date I’ve seen no copyright statement.

How Ms. MacComb Met Her Husband

Online

Despite the necessarily tentative nature of what you can really know about online friends it is impossible for me to imagine Ms. Darlene MacComb settling for second best in a husband. You might remember her story the next time you are feeling fedup with online matchmaking sites.

About 8-1/2 years ago I placed a little free ad on the Adult Friend Finders website under the S/M or Kink (or whatever it was) section. I had grown very tired of trying to find my soulmate through conventional methods and after being alone for several years (refusing to settle for second best) decided to risk it. I did recieve several replies from noncompatible people (guys, couples and other women even though my ad stated single males only).

I was living in a small city of about 60,000 in the southwest and Simon was about a two hour drive away in a small town of about 9000. Its mind boggling that we were so close and never would have met had I not placed that ad and had he not replied. We did the usual e-mail, chats, phone calls for a few weeks and then he came to meet me. I was immediatly impressed on numerous levels and while the ultimate nature of our relationship was not established initially, I knew he was the right one. We moved to Santa Fe, got married, bought a home and have now been married for over 7 years. I feel extremely fortunate and thank God every day for the love of my life. As this is just a short testament to online dating/relationships I won’t go into details about the cuckolding, beatings, humiliation and such.

Her blog: Punished Cuckold Husbands

Going to a Munch Group

Real Life

I’ve often enjoyed reading roo-roo who obliged me by writing the following:

My biggest obstacle was making progress against my shyness. (can’t say I’ve overcome it though.) Just walking into the first munch was a nerve-wracking experience……….but well worth it. (on the way to my first munch, I was screaming the Oscar Meyer Weiner song in my car, to try to calm my nerves.) Before going to the munch though, I looked at their website and e-mailed with some basic questions, like what people normally wore to these things. The person I ended up talking with was very friendly and understanding, and even asked to meet for coffee before I went to a munch, so that I’d at least know one person there.

Once I started getting into the conversations, people were naturally curious about me, and asked questions. Uncomfortable, but expected. This is one place where being yourself is really important. If I’d taken the clichéd approach of “I’m submissive, so I’ll do whatever you’re into”, well, that’s just plain boring. And very fake. We’ve all got interests and fantasies, and it’s important to be open about them if we expect to live them. None of us are mind readers, whether dominant or submissive. Just because someone is a dominant woman, that doesn’t mean we’re compatible.

I’m honest about not being into protocol, ritual, structure, etc. These things are pretty popular among dominants…..but I knew that if I pretended to be into them, not only would I feel like a hypocrite, but I wouldn’t be happy in the relationship either. Online, it’s common to see weak, obsequious, sniveling little twits who think that being that way impresses dommes. Invariably, there are a handful of online dommes who will go for this type. Being that way in the face-to-face world won’t get you far, though. Doormats attract abusers. Coming across as too eager to please often reeks of desperation. If you have a life, if you’re confident and strong, these are the qualities that many dommes find interesting. We are all equals until we agree to some form of power exchange, and I treat everyone as such.

One thing I continually keep in my head is that I’m deserving of respect. Many subs forget this. They think it’s their “place” to be treated badly or to be unfulfilled, since it’s supposedly all about the domme’s desires. Bullshit. An unhappy sub won’t stay around long; our desires are equally important. I let this be known early on when there’s someone I’m interested in. If she agrees that equality and d/s don’t have to be mutually exclusive, that’s a good sign. This can even show up in little things. For example, if a domme cuts me off in conversation, why should I tolerate that? It’s rude, and I deserve better.

Seeing dommes as actual people (and expecting the same from them) is a must. We’ve all got faults and weaknesses. In a loving relationship, I expect to be accepted as I am. Of course, I give the same. If someone loves you, they accept you. This is important to keep in mind. If a domme tried to turn me into something I’m not (behavior modification) then that’s a way of saying “you’re not good enough for me, and I want you to be someone else.”

I also realized that finding someone shouldn’t be my only reason for getting into the scene. I’ve made lots of friends there, and continue to have lots of great times with them………not to mention casual play with friends. If I’d ignored (or been cold to) everyone who didn’t seem “useful” to me, I’d be very unpopular.

About the same time that I got into the local scene, I started looking into forums online. What I found shocked me. There were so many people, domme and sub alike, who had totally unrealistic, overly idealistic expectations. All “real subs” are expected to be into TPE, do all the housework, and do all sorts of things they don’t want to do. That might work online, but being miserable in a flesh-and-blood relationship just isn’t a way I want to live. A lot of people, mainly online, take a “more is better” approach to submission. Isn’t personal satisfaction more important than playing subbier-than-thou? Submission should cause joy, not agony. We’ve all got our own particular style of submission; it took a lot of introspection and experimentation to find my way.

Here’s the analogy I often use: When I give a woman a single rose, I expect some sort of gratitude……..not a big showy display, just a genuine show of appreciation. If she said “That’s it?? Where are the other eleven?”, then she’s not someone I want in my life. This is how I view submission. I don’t have to sacrifice my whole life in order to be submissive. We each give what we give, regardless of chosen position, and it’s important that our gifts (and our selves) be appreciated.

So overall, I try to keep all these things in mind. Keeping that attitude affects my actions, and everything else sort of falls into place. It can be hard to have the confidence to say “this is who I am, and if you don’t like it, then move on.” But if I didn’t do that, I’d be going from one lousy relationship to another. If someone doesn’t accept what I give, too bad.

There is an element of luck as well; even if someone does everything perfectly, there’s no guarantee they’ll meet somebody compatible.

Become Her Slave

General

Giles English has written a guide to finding the dominnat woman of your dreams. The book is entitled The Vanilla Dominatrix. He has a blog devoted to the topic:

How do I get my partner to dominate me?

The Woman Worship Gambit

Real Life

One man’s proposed technique for allowing his submissiveness to come through on a date:

I will treat her like a Queen and when the conversation comes around to relationships, she is separated, I will subtly verbalize my true feelings as to how Women have been disrespected, and treated horribly by men over the year.

Then, I will talk about how years ago, in some societies Woman were worshipped and the dominant sex, and if it seems right, talk a little bit about Goddess worship. I’ll play it by ear mostly. I usually have good instincts. I feel this is the best way to find a Mistress.

This is by no means the most foolish approached I’ve heard of.

It would probably be best to skip the negativity in the first paragraph.

Using Twitter, Facebook, Email to Date

Vanilla Advice

Some (vanilla) tips for using social media and email to ask someone to go out on a date with you.

We’ve reached that point, folks: the zenith of awkwardness whereby the cables of communication are so plentiful that we are wound in a web of our own making. In a sense, we have returned to the tangled days of Emily Post-esque courting etiquette — circa 1922 — whereby men left women calling cards and letters of introduction, not actually seeing the women themselves upon delivery, unless it was between 4 and 6 o’clock (yes, these were the actual rules).

The do’s and don’ts of asking someone out online

Fake Femdom Blogs

Online

Fake Femdom Blog Warning

My self-image is that of a skeptic. But often I take people at their word, face value.

Many years ago while reading an early Femdom mailing list it seemed odd to me that a few of the women sounded almost identical, as if they were clones. Was one woman posting using multiple email accounts?

The defining quality of their posts was snide, pettiness. Something too shallow and constricted to match womanly pride or female arrogance as I’d met in real life.

When F/m blogs first emerged I found this same manner of expression on the blogs. Mostly in the comments. But a few blog owners seemed to be of the same ilk.

Finally I realized that these women were really men. Frustrates without a relationship that created virtual lives for themselves. But as dominant women instead of submissive men.

My guess is they do this because it somehow makes their fantasy seem more real. They aren’t so much interested in fooling others as hypnotizing themselves.

Whether as faux females or pushy “malesubs” these are the people who often push for intolerably stringent F/m behavior. Their minds are so filled with orgasm denial, sissyfication, cleaning bathroom floors and being lectured that there no room left for a real relationship or marriage.

As with Femdom and BDSM forums you need to read F/m blogs with caution. Some people are doing a wonderful job of sharing their power exchange relationship, giving advice on risk aware S&M. Beware of the others.

Forum Phonies

Online

I’d meant to post this follow-up to my prior entry much sooner but couldn’t make the time.

Online Femdom Dating

Ms. Marina Black alluded to the know-it-alls on many kinky forums. There’s no denying the useless creatures abound.

Some will say that this sort of verbal bossiness is part of their dominant nature. But cocksureness is one of the most common vices of the human race. And there’s no lack of pushy submissive men online.

Indeed submissive men can be the worst. Having no life experience with submission they distill rules from their fantasy lives. They imagine what they masturbate to as a way to really have a relationship with a dominant woman.

Don’t let anyone on a forum - dominant or submissive - preach one true way of enacting dominance and submission, mastery and slavery to you;. Each person, each pairing works out an individual proper path. Not that some general principles don’t have value.

Don’t be intimidated. If you could see the person typing away at his keyboard the sight probably wouldn’t at all impress you. Don’t let your imagination delude you.

Read the stories of those who are sharing what they’ve actually done. You may not do the same thing or do it in the same way. But their experiences can help you prepare for your own exploration of BDSM.

You have to read forum posts discerningly and critically. But of what isn’t that true?

It can never be repeated often enough: there is no one true way that works for everyone.

Submissive Men : Interact Online

Online

Submissive Men Desire Strong Women
The Desire for Strong Women

Comment on F/m Blogs
Post on F/m Forums

If you don’t have any real life experience with power exchange and S&M you are apt to be so trapped by your imagination you don’t really know how to talk about what you desire (or have clear perceptions of those seeming needs).

Finding blogs that reflect your appetites and hopes and leaving comments on the blogger’s writings is a simple beginning in learning how to talk (and think) about BDSM. Or kink-free Female Led Relationships (ahem).

You’ll find you have a host of misperceptions. Men and women who actually play or are in committed relationships can teach you how kink and fetish actually fit into their lives. There’s tremendous diversity.

The same is true of forums. You have to disinhibit yourself in order to talk openly and honestly.

Some men will learn that women aren’t looking to run their home like Gitmo. Others that penis pictures don’t make for friendships.

Others will learn the right vocabulary and manner for addressing others. Not that any one style is always appropriate. Some women like some level of protocol. Others can’t abide it. And one of the lessons you need to learn is that you are communicating with individuals. Dominant women aren’t stamped out at the female sadist factory.

Lastly there may be one or more munch groups in or near where you live that have a mailing list. This can be a good first step to preparing to meet someone local, perhaps at a munch group meeting.

Submissive Guys: What Kind of Man Are You?

General

Physically? Mentally?

Submissive Men : What kind of man are you?

The central rule in dating, meeting and hooking up is: be honest. So much easier said than done for many men.

What are you like physically: strong, muscular, skinny, mushy, obese. There’s no value in fibbing - she’ll know the moment she sees you. And being dishonest is about as far from being submissive as you can get.

What are you like mentally: do you spend your free time with the television as your best friend. Do you read anything: fantasy novels, horror fiction, literary prose … ? That may seem trivial but people often find common ground in small things. And for some people intellectual and aesthetic pursuits aren’t trivial.

Are you physically active, athletic? Do you do good works/ Are you politically active?

A woman needs a reason to want to meet you. It isn’t because you’ll “do anything.” She’s already had offer from a thousand strangers, knows not to take it seriously and isn’t looking for a doormat with arms and legs anyway.

Learn how to describe your qualities in your profiles. It only takes a few words. Even less than this entry.

Beautiful, Sexy Femdom

General

Dept. of Malesub Fantasies

Beautiful, sexy femdom.

A masochistic man left a comment on one of my sites. He recounted being beaten by a -forgive the word - fat woman in her fifties. Her own relish in her sadism was all he needed for his own happiness.

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