Dept. of Malesub Fantasies

A masochistic man left a comment on one of my sites. He recounted being beaten by a -forgive the word - fat woman in her fifties. Her own relish in her sadism was all he needed for his own happiness.
Dept. of Malesub Fantasies

A masochistic man left a comment on one of my sites. He recounted being beaten by a -forgive the word - fat woman in her fifties. Her own relish in her sadism was all he needed for his own happiness.
I’m all in favor of honesty. But also in privacy. Unless you are completely honest you may not want to share your email account with your girlfriend.
The lesson here is NEVER share your password - or even make it guessable. One of my girlfriends had the password to her ex’s e-mail account and found out all sorts really interesting things - replies to Craigslist for cross-dressing and dominatrix and other exotic specialties etc. To some extent it explained why a ‘normal’ relationship wasn’t ever going to work, but on the other hand, I’d just rather not know.
To be fair some men just dabble and never plan and never will be unfaithful. Wisest course is to not enter into an intimate relationship when you don’t feel you can be open about your sexuality.
Inferior Malesub Scum
Though I’m not able to keep track as much as I used to I’m still convinced there is one substantial barrier to submissive men establishing any sort of relationship with dominant women that they could easily correct by simply adjusting their perceptions and consequent behavior.
Why would any woman want to burden her life with a worthless man. Or spend time with someone who is really inferior. Or has so little self-respect he wants to be deprived of every last iota of liberty.
An experience female top knows the man can’t distinguish reality from fantasy.
You may masturbate to being told you are worthless because you are a man. But women don’t.
If you want to meet a dominant woman tell her why you are worth knowing as a man. Then she can decide if she wants to have power over you.
I'm going to let you in on a Startling Femdom Secret!
MsX with whom I was exchanging a few emails wrote:
Sometimes I'm so tired of these labels (a sentiment I *know* you sympathise with). I just want to find someone who I enjoy and am attracted to, who is able to commit and communicate - and who feels the same about me :)
The secret? It has taken countless hours of research, reading weblogs by dominant women, visiting F/m forums.
There are plenty of dominant women looking for the right partner. Partner may seem too neutral a word but each is variously looking for a submissive or perhaps a slave. BDSM might be only now and then, a bit every evening or some form of lifestyle D/s. Or just a play partner. But I'm thinking of the women looking for a kinky boyfriend or lover.
Each dominant woman is as individual as any woman. But she has special needs that can make even her search more complicated than the norm.
You can read my How to Woo a Domme Online but I'll give you a concentrated dose of advice.
Don't invent forum names like pantyworm4u. She'd rather hear from Fred. Or a guy who's handle reflects a non-fetish interest or is a clever joke.
Don't PM or IM her saying "want u 2 crush my nuts" and certainly not "want u 2 crush my nuts while I sing the Star Spangled Banner and you wear a maroon miniskirt."
Even if you are looking for a short-term kink playmate that isn't the way to approach someone who is supposed to hold the power.
Much less a woman who for some reason decided that she is a person and would like to meet the same.
Fill out your profile damnit! And try to say more than "I'm a sissy painwhore who likes to do housework." Well, if you are really keen on sweeping floors that might be OK. (Heck you can write to me: I hate housework.) Mention your interests and hobbies (which hopefully exceed watching television).
The essence is: be a person, be as polite as you are in real life (and if need be learn some manners). Treat her like a person.
Or hire a professional. She may not be interested in you but may take lively pleasure in spending your money.
Given that dominant women are uncommon it is mighty surprising that good submissive men can be hard for some - nice, kind, smart - women to find.
Go and sin no more! Or rather sin the right way.
This could go on forever. Share your suggestions, tales of woe or funny stories.
That I've tended to get along with dominant women online is the only qualification I can claim for the following.
Poor fellow, you've emailed countless Dommes and none of them write back.
What is wrong with them? You've expressed your willingness to do "anything." What more could they ask?
Really the question is what is wrong with your or at least your presentation of yourself?
Mr. I'll Do Anything, there are plenty of you out there. It is as if you are a legion of clones. Any dominant woman that responds to your email is apt to be a beginner. Within a month promises of being willing to do anything will only prove to her that she doesn't want anything to do with you.
Are you a masochist or submissive? Most likely you are a bit of both. But there are pure masochists and sadists who only giggle at words like slave and Mistress.
Are you really submissive? Stop saying you'll do anything. Probably you won't. Will pleasing another, serving her satisfy you deeply, make you happy? Even if you don't get to live your every fantasy?
Or is it really having your shopping list of tortures and humiliations filled that matters most to you? Many would disagree but there's no crime in that. But you need to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with the people you approach online.
While some Dommes are only looking for lifestyle slaves others seek play partners. You'll need to make sure you approach women whose desires complement yours.
Use Yahoo Geocities or similar service and create a simple web page. Write about your needs and desires. If you aren't able to write discursively and personally put up a simple slave's checklist.
The checklist is a simple list of fetishes and kinks. For each item note how you feel:
Let her know if you see D/s as a lifestyle or a form of play.
If you have more detailed feelings express them. The more honestly felt words you present about yourself the better your chances of meeting a compatible Domme. And there's nothing to be gained by trying to meet someone you can't satisfy or that would be inappropriate for you. Aside from the checklist you really should have a few paragraphs describing yourself and your interests outside of D/s. Funnily enough most dominant women are looking for individuals. And while she may want to know how you look in petticoats she probably wants a guy who is a man.
You do read stories of women who reduce men to 24/7 sissymaids and permanent cuckolds. Often I've suspected these were men living out their fantasies by creating an online faux-Domme persona that enforces them.
If her she calls herself Lady Sarah then your email should probably begin civilly and conventionally enough with "Dear Lady Sarah." Addressing her as Mistress implies a relationship with her that you've yet to earn.
State clearly and specifically what - if it was anything other than propinquity - that motivated you to write to her.
Tell her something about yourself. More than just your cravings: that is just being pushy. Being polite is more important than being humble. Abasing yourself is, again, being presumptuous. And if you've created a web page as I suggested above close your email with the URL.
Courting a Domme in certain respects is much like courting anyone. The more selfhood, charm, humor and intelligence you convey the more you will seem worthy of attention. Being boring isn't a victimless crime.
You may get only a polite "No thanks" but that is better than dead silence.
One last tip: don't send her a photo of your phallus unless invited to.
This is a first draft. I hope to expand, amend and emend it. Your suggestions, criticisms are invited.
It’s only been a year since my journey began, but I’d like to share with women of my generation some of the things I have learned and will continue to learn for as long as my journey continues. To those who have always heard but ignored those inner whispers about what it might be like to flog a back or butt, bring a man to his knees, invade him, restrain him, punish or reward him in any wonderful variety of ways from mild to extreme, take heart. Age doesn’t have to be a negative factor. It isn’t too late to explore your inner domme.
BDSM first dates shouldn’t really be much of a question.
Where do you go on your first date with a domme? I was standing in the middle of a nickel arcade yesterday, having an absolute ball playing on video games that I haven’t seen in *years* (galaga, Knights of the Round Table, Gauntlet, etc) and thought if a guy ever brought me here on purpose.. for a date.. that would be it, leash and collared on the spot
. What are some of the more unusual places you’ve been taken to or have taken a domme or a sub on a date?
Why would you go anywhere other than where you’d normally go on a date?
See the answers: First Dates
From an old discussion on soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom:
Developing a love interest online is a tricky business: loving someone in the real world is filled with spaces… quiet moments, banal moments, boring moments, brushing your teeth, taking a shower, driving to the dentist, having the flu. These spaces when we’re not intensely connected with our loved ones are expected, we’re comfortable with them. But when you fall in love with someone online, the relationship is “distilled” … those moments are removed and you’re left with a LOT a “quality” time and very little downtime- time spent talking, playing, emotionally holding hands (or more)- but if one thing is for sure, you almost never *waste* time with one another because if you live in the busy world the rest of us share, you don’t have TIME to waste. You make the most of every moment.
But this sets up terrible and unrealistic expectations, often despite how grounded you are or how rationally you consider your relationship. It is, at it’s core, the perfect interactive fantasy and that intense, heady, passionate fantasy all too often doesn’t translate into real life. The odd thing is how well ~friendships~ translate into real life, though, but that might not be so odd after all- it probably has something to do with expectation levels and a distinct lack of sexual tension inherent in the initial meeting.
If someone writes a personal which states, basically, that they want to be “forced” to live out some fantasy of their own, I’d tend to agree with you : they probably want someone to fulfill their fantasy more than they want to submit. [1]
But… If someone who wants to submit has some specific activities that they particularly like, or dislike, or simply can’t engage in, then it makes sense for the personal ad to mention them. They suffer intense claustrophobia and find bondage traumatic - that’s useful information, as it keeps someone who -likes- tying her submissives up from engaging in what would likely be mutually unfulfilling. Someone else is a heavy masochist, -loves- crops and canes and zippers to the point where such painplay is a joy and reward to them - makes sense to mention it, so’s the dominant who also likes painplay and wants a submissive who’ll look forward go heavy beatings has an extra bit of knowledge to perhaps pique her interest.
If there’s something the would-be submissive needs occasionally in order to feel fulfilled… Again, it makes sense for him or her to mention it. But, there is a -big- difference between the person who mentions, perhaps, that they enjoy crossdressing and would like to serve a dominant who’d at times appreciate their frilly side, and the one who firmly believes that if the woman isn’t “forcing” them to crossdress that it isn’t domination
.One is, perhaps, someone whose primary pleasure is to serve and submit to another but who also likes wearing taffetta - the other is probably someone whose primary interest is indulging in their fantasy, and is perhaps misleading others by insisting that they are really submissive.
[1] Which there’s certainly nothing wrong with - though it would be nice if more would communicate what they want more clearly.
(Old newsgroup posting.)
From an old newsgroup post by Laura Goodwin:
t certainly is possible for femdom men and women to meet and form satisfying relationships of either short or long-term duration. Such relationships can seem, with all their imperfections, to still seem to be a dream come true. People want practical suggestions for ways to accomplish this.Men and women are different. In general, (heterosexual) men and women who try to see things from the other’s point of view and make a sincere effort to bridge the gender gap have the most success in relationships.
Women are women, not men without cocks. Women think and feel like women, they have sexual and psychological needs which are distinctive to those of their sex. They need partners who appreciate them as women, that is, whole human beings who also are female. They don’t stop being female because they are dominant, if anything, their female characteristics are more pronounced than in the average woman. Women do have their own kind of strength and authority which is not the strength of the head-banging ram, but the ready courage and steady dependability of the lioness.
Women do need partners who can understand and appreciate them on their own level. I have seen that men are inclined to try, and in many cases are quite successful. There are human limits, however, to how much one can reasonably expect. Men do need to be allowed to be men, they can’t help that, can they? Men are not women with cocks. They think and feel differently about things, and need to be understood and handled correctly.
In a femdom relationship, the woman is naturally expected to take control and set the pace, but to accomplish this she has to capture and hold the man’s attention and respect in a way he understands and can appreciate. Dominant women must be bolder and less dainty than your average woman. If SHE wants to find a dream sub, she has to be able to be dream dom, or the man won’t be able to find it within himself to match her. A sub can only rise as high as his mistress will let him. If she won’t show drive, creativity, ambition and daring, you can’t expect him to be at his best either.
Be a woman a man can look up to, and he will be all the man he can be for you.
Janet Hardy (Greenery Press) on “real submissives.”
You can accept the fact that all healthy people have their own needs, and that you’re never going to find a submissive partner who doesn’t have needs of his or her own — at least not one that you’d actually want to spend time with.
Instead, watch for the guy who is clear about his needs but willing to explore other options, and steer clear of the one who wants things exactly his way every single time, without regard for what *you* want. And then accept the fact that unless your needs and his are a reasonably close fit, you won’t be able to play well, and you’ll wind up frustrated and bitter.
Any writer or leader who tells you that there are so-called “real submissives” out there who have no desires of their own, but exist only to serve, is lying to you (or has had singularly good luck in finding submissives whose needs are close to his or hers).
By Chris
You can easily be submissive publicly without annoying women. Try saying “ma’am” most of the time when you are talking to them, in a polite way. If you are in a restaurant, say, “May I have a cup of coffee, ma’am?” When she brings it, say “thank you, ma’am”. They won’t find it annoying, but they will find it odd sometimes. I tried it s few times, and did get a couple of funny looks, since it’s so unusual for people to be that polite to a waitress, who is the one who usually says “sir” or “ma’am”.
The International Journal of Cosmetic Science reports on the effect of deodorant soap and male sex appeal:
… Men in the active deodorant condition had higher ratings of self-confidence within 15 minutes of spraying the stuff on. Their feelings of attractiveness increased slowly over the course of three days. The researchers believe that those feelings of self-confidence and attractiveness showed through in the men’s behavior, with subtle traits that were identified by female viewers as more attractive. …
Want a Sure-Fire Way to Score a Valentine’s Date? Spray on Some Axe
Smelling nice - certainly not smelling bad - can benefit a man when he’s with a woman. But self-confidence has a much greater effect in strengthening his desirability.
This is another reminder that a submissive male who writes a profile boasting that he is merely a worm or worthless or some else low and contemptible will never attract a dominant woman. A dominant woman wants you to submit to her for personal reasons. She’s not intending to root through the trash bin of human failure.
So butch up and let your self-esteem be visible. And if you don’t like yourself seek help.

Don’t get lost in romantic clichés
Another tip from the source quoted in the prior entry:
Another turn-off is profiles littered with cheesy clichés. One woman in Whitty’s study complained that so many people say they enjoy walks on the beach that she is surprised the beach isn’t overrun.
That was certainly a peeve of mine some years back.
Not just the walks on the beach (though I did see a tremendous number of those). Too many people claimed nearly identical romantic aims and preferences. It was as if they were using some Platonic archetype of dating.
No individuality was expressed, leaving no reason to want to meet them.
Submissive males need to say more than they want to submit. If you are on a site like Alt or CollarMe it says so in your profile. Aside from mentioning your submissiveness you need to reference other portions of your life. This is the biggest single failing of submissive guys’ dating service profiles.
Honest Online Profiles Essential
Psychologist Monica Whitty at Nottingham Trent University in Great Britain has been studying online dating.
She advises total honesty:
“There is no forgiveness of any inaccuracies,” she says. “If you’re an inch shorter than you say you are, you’ll be found out.”
That surely seems obvious. But there’s still the temptation to amend reality just a tiny bit. Trust is so very important in BDSM even the whitest of lies may cost you any chance of success.
Submissive Men Looking for a Mistress Often Have Clichéd Expectations
I’ve read many accounts of dominant women who’ve had meetings with prospective submissive males that have gone badly. But this sounds like the worst ever.
I was about 10 minutes late but spotted him immediately. The look of disappointment in his eyes was amazing! I know I’m not beautiful but damn! I was mad, hurt, and more than a little embarrassed. He had seen pictures of me at the other Domme’s house, I couldn’t understand why he was so rude. He had ordered appetizers and drinks before I got there. Their arrival helped to cover a rather tense moment. I really was tempted just to turn around and walk out without a word. Stilted conversation, meaningless chitchat followed. Finally I had my feelings under control, so I asked him why he looked so disappointed when he saw me. His expression changed to bewilderment and he just stared at me.
“I thought you said you were really into this.” very accusingly said.
“I am”
“No leather? no latex?” he sneered, actually sneered at me!
“Its a 103 degrees outside, fool.” I don’t know what was so so astonishing, his attitude or that I was actually trying to defend myself against this nitwit.
He began to whine that he really had expected me to wear at least some leather, or carry a flogger, maybe a collar for him? And I was really rude by not getting there before him, he had to get the table, order the drinks - that was my job. (!?!?!?!) Why was I being so friendly? (!!!) He wanted a bitchy mistress. Would I spank him in the restaurant right now? Why hadn’t I brought a pair of my panties for him to wear? Should he go and wank off in the restroom? What would I do if he spilled my drink on me? God, my nails were far to short to be dangerous. Oh, and their not painted red either - thats not right. Did I have to wear shorts and those keds? Did I have on underwear? Could he have it? How about slapping me right here? I’ll let you! My breasts were nice but that not a push-up bra is it? I’m going to let you pay for lunch so you can feel in charge.
Caveat 1: This approach will not necessarily work for all Dommes but we feel we were open enough in our suggestions that at the very least, the Domme you contact should not accuse you of disrespect or trolling. At the very least, we would hope not. We are hoping other Dommes will contribute to this with their own advice, opinions, needs, etc.
Caveat 2: The examples we give here should NOT be copied & pasted and used as your own. You should simply find inspiration in them. We hope you will retain the spirit in which these examples are written and personalise them to represent yourself accurately.
Sample introduction letter
Dear Lady,
I have read your profile from beginning to end, not once but twice, to ensure that I didn't overlook anything. I realize that you took the time to write your profile so that others may learn from it.
My first impression of you is that you are a woman deserving respect and only the best. That said I am sincerely hoping that through my interactions, I might show you that I am worthy of your time, affections and dominance.
I would very much like if we could get better acquainted, the how, when, where and pace I leave as your final decision. But if I may humbly propose that whatever is convenient for you, be it, emails, instant messages, chatting, phones calls, meeting for coffee, would be more than satisfactory for me. I understand fully that a lady of your stature does not make rash decisions and that I must prove myself worthy of your time. I understand that things may or may not progress at a pace of your comfort level. I humbly agree to abide by whatever attentions you wish to grant me.
If you will grant me the privilege of meeting you I promise to meet whatever requirements you may have of me. I understand that your safety is of paramount concern and will gladly respect whatever method you deem to be appropriate.
1. Be clear about what you are seeking.
a) If the Domme you are contacting is not looking for applications, respect this! You can write to her and tell her that you realise she isn't looking for applicants but that nonetheless you appreciate her profile and simply wanted to let her know. You can also ask her if she has time to or an interest in entertain a friendship with no strings attached. Do not be pushy! FYI: Dommes do not keep waiting lists of potentials so don't ask to be put on one. However if you are friends first she may take interest at a later date.
b) If the Domme you are contacting has stated what she is looking for and it is not what you are looking for, move to the next profile and don't try and change her mind. Nothing is more insulting then a sub who wants to convince us of something we don't want.
c) If the Domme you are contacting hasn't said what she is looking for, you might want to ask her politely in your letter of introduction. If she doesn't respond to this, you might want to just keep looking. There is no guarantee that because someone states she is a Domme that she has it all together. Use your judgement.
2. State what attracted you particularly about her profile.
This is important. If the profile attracted you, it is important that you say why. Many of us take the time to write good profiles explaining who we are and what it is that we are looking for as well as our views on life and then BDSM dynamics.
The above is critical. Do NOT limit your attraction to solely our photo. That shows that you are superficial and vain. Most Dommes know they are beautiful, but wish to be appreciated for things other than our appearances.
Here are a few examples or what you might write:
a) In reading your profile I was impressed by your comment about "such and such" and found it to raise feelings of understanding and agreement within me. It was as if we were on the same page.
b) I believe that we share a similar view of dominance & submission and I have a feeling that it goes beyond that. It would be a privilege to discuss such issues with you and explore our compatibility.
c) When you stated that you wanted a submissive who held similar non-kinky interests as you I was pleased. I am delighted to see that you share my enthusiasm for "such and such".
You should draw parallels when possible. For example, if she mentions she likes to sail, and you have a sailboat, perhaps a short description of it would be good here.
3. Be truthful about your current status and obligations.
If you are married, have kids, have personal obligations, are willing to or not willing to relocate, have religious or social obligations or have time constraints, put them all on the table from the get go. A reasonable Domme will appreciate your honesty and decide whether or not she can work within potential limitations. If you get a negative response because you tried to communicate this, then just take a deep breath and move along. (You might however want to make sure her profile doesn't say "no married men" or "only local men" or "must be willing to relocate"). Honesty will always be the best policy.
4. Be truthful about your former experience.
Be honest about what you have experienced. Don't sugar coat it. Give a certain amount of detail but don't go overboard. This is an introduction letter. Also, if your experience is limited to Pro's or online experiences say so.
5. State what it is you are willing to offer.
Before you write what you want, write what you want to offer. This isn't a D/s thing. This is simply a courtesy thing. No one wants a selfish sub that lists only his/her desires. When we get a message that starts off with "Hello Mistress, I'm a slave boy into CBT, humiliation, and love being turned into your own private whore with your strap-on" we tend to either click delete or respond with something unpleasant like "go away, do-me sub". You have to woo a Domme. Write it from the heart. List what it is you want and not what it is that you think she wants. This also includes writing about your limits.
Here are a few examples or what you might write:
a) I am happy to offer whatever services you may require in exchange for nothing other than your happiness and the personal satisfaction of knowing that I pleased you in some small way.
b) My pleasure would be to give you pleasure. I find a life of servitude rewarding. I would very much like to learn which ways I would best be able to serve you.
c) I am a masochist who would consider it a privilege to lend my body to such a woman as yourself, for your pleasure and mutual enjoyment. My limits are "such & such".
6. List your skills.
You might want to write something such as "My skills and talents lie in the areas of (cleaning, ironing, chauffeuring, handyman, etc)." You can also list the skills you wish to develop. If your skills are in your profile and you want to be succinct in your initial note, you can say something along the lines of "if it pleases you Miss, please refer to my profile to see my list of skills"
7. List your interests.
It is important that you also put a short paragraph about your vanilla interests. If it is a relationship you are seeking, chances are, you will be spending equal if not much more time outside the kink zone then in it. Deciding whether the ultimate date is going to see the ballet or a ballgame might be something you want to clear up ahead of time. Even if it is not a relationship that you are seeking, for most Dommes, we appreciate knowing that there is more then a piece of flesh to you.
8. Avoid negativity.
The title says it all but here are a few basics to check for:
9. Revise for grammar & spelling.
When you are chatting, things can slip. Even little posts here or there. But when you are trying to put your best foot forward, isn't she worth a few extra minutes of double-checking? A message full of typos gives the impression of negligence and carelessness.
Also, many Dommes have mentioned on these boards and in other forums that they are not fond of chat lingo such as "It wood B so gr8 2 serve U Ma'am". In your first correspondence however, it might be better to assume that she won't appreciate it. If she responds to you using the lingo, then it's a good sign that it's fine. You might even want to ask her early on what her thoughts on it are.
Some Dommes Like "W/we " and online protocol others detest it. A good rule of thumb is look at how their profile is written. If it contains it, use it, if not, don't!
10. Keep your messages short or parse them to avoid them being truncated.
If you have a very heavy message, chances are it might get truncated. You may want to keep the first message relatively short (especially if your profile mentions already a lot about you). But if you feel you have a lot to say, you might want to email a Part I and Part II (note that this might turn some Dommes off). You might also want to add your other email address (yahoo, hotmail, etc) for further correspondences as the messages can run a little longer.
Every Domme is different but these guidelines should work with most and might help you find Your place without wasting each other's time. Good luck with Your search.
(Attributed to Maitresse Eden and Lady Angelika.)
Caveat Emptor: Ebooks & Courses on Male Submission

Don’t be fooled into buying an ebook or online course promising to teach you how to be a submissive man, convert your wife into a dominatrix or win a Mistress.
Everything that you need to know about male submission and female dominance is out here on the web. Again and again: there is no secret, no hidden lore; any promise of special techniques is sheer bunk.
Being a good submissive man is mostly about being a good man, taking a pleasure in deference, needing to surrender to control. And often - hooray for masochism! - happiness in pain.
Your teachers are the men and women who have forged successful F/m relationships who write on their blogs and forums. Don’t even be tempted by the bogus offers you see on the web.

By Gene Bilbrew
You found the personal ad of a dominant woman that you would like to meet in hopes of her becoming your Mistress.
You write and send her a (good) email telling her about yourself and your submissive aspirations.
She never replies.
What do you do? Send her a short, polite, calm note asking if she got your earlier message. That you don’t want to be a pest but did want to make sure it didn’t go astray. (The latter really does happen.)
If you don’t get a response to your second communication that is the end of it. Her account may be defunct. There are probably more abandoned than active accounts on alt.com. Or she may be too lazy to bother replying to men that don’t interest her.
Put it out of your mind. Move on to the next possibility. Don’t let it depress you. Don’t expect instant gratification.
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